| At this writing, I'm in the process of liquidating a 650 + piece collection that my father started 25 years earlier. In the course of ollecting these pieces, I was struck by the variations in color, die varieties, color, triking quality, etc. This sample I retained is not a comprehensive, but illustrates some of the variety of this series. Varieties.Striking.Legends.Anti-counterfeiting.Counterfeits. As, Ca; Cn, Ce. Do, EoMo, Ga. GC. Go. Ho, Mo, Oa, Pi, Zs. |
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The
Mexico Cap and Rays 8 Reales was the workhorse of Oriental
trade succeeding the pillar and portrait
8 Reales in the mid-19th
century. Often, these pieces acquired "chop" marks (sometimes many) which are considered stamps of approval by the merchants who accepted these pieces in trade. The series, is unique in its breadth of dates, mints, assayers and varieties. At this writing, I'm in the process of liquidating a 650 + piece family collection that my father started 25 years earlier. I retained a sampling of the variations. This is not a comprehensive, but illustrates some of the variety of this series. Varieties.Striking.Legends.Anti-counterfeiting.Counterfeits. As, Ca; Cn, Ce. Do, EoMo, Ga. GC. Go. Ho, Mo, Oa, Pi, Zs. |
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| Counterfeit 8 reales. The broad variety of counterfeits in this series runs the gamut in terms of design, composition and place of origin including: - Base metal and debased silver coins struck for a profit in Mexico or elsewhere; - “Full” composition struck in the United States for Oriental trade; - Dies fabricated from “official” elements, such as the eagle; - Dies which “escaped” from the mint with a complete date; - Dies which “escaped” from the mint the three digits, the fourth being added by the counterfeiter; - Coins made in Mexico; - Coins made in the United States. This piece dated 1834 Zs MO was in my collection for years, presumed genuine. I now have it on good authority that this piece was identified by John Leonard Riddell (Riddell # 237) in his 1845 work “A Monograph of the Silver Dollar,: Good and Bad. Illustrated with Facsimile Figures”. 1834 Do RM Riddell # 371. ![]() 1832 Do RM Riddell # 365. ![]() |
1834 Zs OM 8 reales (Riddell
# 237) I think this one looks better than "the real thing" (see below) ![]() 1844 Go PM 1831 Zs OM Riddel # 223 C - Com temporary counterfeit made in the USA ![]() |
1832 Ds RL - Riddell 415 This base metal counterfeit is one of the more obvious fakes . (Formerly in my collection - now in a study collection.) ![]() A more convincing example of the above ![]() 1829 Zs OV- - Riddell 221 Contemporary counterfeit made in the USA (Formerly in my collection - - now in a study collection.) |
Anti-counterfeiting Beginning in 1867, the Mexico City mint added two "dragon teeth" below the cap to make it more difficult to accurately copy the die. In 1868, Mexico City mint began producing dies for other for the Chihuahua In 1887 the standardization of the dies was extended to the remaining active mints: 1868: Ca; 1881 Ho, Oa; 1887: Cn, Do, Ga, Go, Pi, Zs. The "dragon teeth" appeared in the remaining mints with the "standardized" dies. |
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According to Dunigan & Parker (1), a pair
of official dies
escaped from the Durango mint in the late 1840s, and was being used to
produce base metal counterfeit 8 reales. Their response was to identify
the replacement dies by inserting the initials (B, G & Y) at various places in the rays, and occasionally on
the eagle. This 1848 Do CM piece illustrates a "B" and "G" in the rays. (1) Dunigan and Parker: Resplandores, Publisher: Superior Stamp and Coin, 1997 |
| Variations
in Legends
I illustrate here several punctuation styles from the early Guanajuato mint of 1830 (period), 1830-43 (3 periods) and 1831 (2 stars and 1 period) and Chihuahua 1844 (3 large periods). |
Variations occuring during the use of the die. |
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| A die clash
occurs when the dies come together without a planchet
between. If done with sufficient force, the obverse die leaves
a
raised impression on the reverse and vice-versa. The clash, is typically not seen on the cap side due to the density of the design. The "sunburst" clash has occurred on a number of occasions in this series including 1840 Do RM, 1837 Go PJ, 1854 Go PF, 1868 Do CP, and 1835 Do RM This variation appears on perhaps half of the pieces struck from the 'European die' of the Do mint. I suspect that these may have been subject to high striking pressure to bring out the distinctive features of that design. |
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As,
Ca;
Cn,
Ce.
Do, Ga.
GC. Go.
Ho,
Mo,
Oa,
Pi,
Zs. Until the standardization of the dies in the late 19th century, illustrated on the background image, basic design features such as the Cap and Rays, and eagle were highly individualized from mint to mint and within each of the 14 mints. One could collect dozens of varieties. I illustrate several.
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Alamos Mint A , As
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1868-1875 1869 A DL
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1876 1876 As DL
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1877-1882 1879 As
DL - ex Amon Carter![]() |
As 1883-1885
1885 As ML
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1887-1895 - See standardization
of the dies 1891 As ML |
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| Catorce
Mint CE 1863 According to D & P, the die style for Catorce was similar to neighboring San.Luis Potosi. |
1863 Ce ML
(Formerly in my collection) |
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Chihuahua Ca
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The early years of the CA mint feature a broad eagle, strikingly
different from the narrow design eventually adopted. 1831 - 1832 |
1834-1838 1835
Ca MR |
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1834-1838
1836 Ca AM - According to D&P ""not" a distinct type![]() |
1840-1868 1844 Ca RG / 1854 Ca RG![]() |
1868-1895
1870 Ca MM See standardization of the dies |
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Culican Cn,
C
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1846-1853 1851 C
CE (plugged) |
1854-1857 1856 C CE |
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| 1854-1857 1857 C CE - new eagle punch |
1858-1870 1860
C PV![]() |
1873-1874 1873 C MP Formerly in my collection |
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1874-1877
1876 Cn CG![]() |
1878-1881
1878 Cn JD![]() |
1881-1884 1882
Cn AM![]() |
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1885 C/Cn 1885 Cn AM ![]() |
18861886 Cn AM ![]() |
1887-1895 - See standardization of the dies 1891 Cn AM |
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Durango Do
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1825-1827 1825 Do RL
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1827-1829 1828 Do
RL Formerly in my collection |
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1830-1832 1831
Do RM![]() |
1832-1842
"French" die -
1836 Do RM Perhaps the most distinctive designs of the 8R series. ![]() |
1842-1849 1849 Do CM (Y in ray at 7:00)![]() |
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1842-1849 1848 Do CM (with B& G in rays)![]() |
1849-1850 1849 Do JMR Formerly in my collection
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1850-1855 1852 Do JMR Formerly in my collection
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| 1855-1856 1856 Do CP |
1857-1864 1861 Do CP |
1865-1870 1870 Do CP |
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| 1873-1882
1874 Do CM / 1875 Do CM - Wide planchet) |
1882-1886 1882 Do JP![]() |
1887-1895 See standardization of the dies 1893 Do ND |
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Estado
de Mexico EoMo
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1829
Eo Mo -(Formerly in my
collection)![]() |
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Guadalajara,
Ga
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1825-1845 1837 Ga JG / 1841 GA MC![]() |
1845-1870 1859 Ga JG![]() |
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1873-1874 1873
Ga IC![]() |
1874-1886
1878 Ga JA![]() |
1887-1895 1891 Ga JS See standardization of the dies |
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Guadalupe Y Calvo GC
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1844-1852 1848 GC
MP![]() |
1845-1846 1845 GC
MP (Formerly in my collection)![]() |
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Guanajuato Go
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1826-1828 1826 Go IJ |
1828-1829 1829
Go MJ |
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1829-1830 1830 Go MJ (Scales on snake)![]() |
1830-1843 1831 Go MJ
2 Stars/ Dot Scarce variety one year only |
1830-1843
1842 Go PJ (3 dots following date)/1837 SB |
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| 1843 -1848 1843
Go PM |
1848-1853 1849 Go PF |
1854-1870 1862 Go YE / PF |
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1873-1886 1881 Go SB
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1887-1897 1896 Go RS
/ 1891 as ML See standardization of the dies ![]() |
1887-1897 1896 Go RS
/ 1891 as ML See standardization of the dies ![]() |
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Hermosillo
Ho
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1862-1863 1863
Ho FM - formerly in my collection![]() |
1863 - 1866 1865
Ho FM - formerly in my collection 2 ![]() |
1866-1875 1874 Ho PR ![]() |
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1876-1880 1880
Ho JA![]() |
1881-1882 1882 Ho JA o "after J![]() |
1881-1895 1892 Ho FG See standardization of the dies |
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Mexico
City Mo
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1824-1847 1824
Mo JM ** |
1824-1826 1825
Mo JM - not recognized by D&P as a separate type -
but the eagle looks quite distinct to me. |
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1845 Mo MH |
1848 - 1863 1860 Mo FH & 1863 Mo CH ![]() It was hard to let go of my second nicest piece from this period. |
See standardization of the dies 1867-1897 1867 MoCH ![]() |
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Oaxaca O,
Oa, OA
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1859 Oa AE formerly in my
collection |
1860 Oa AE ![]() |
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| 1861-
1862 1861 Oa AE formerly in my collection |
1863 O AE |
1861- 1864 1863
O FR |
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1867-1869
1869 O AE![]() |
1874-1876 1873-1886 1874 Oa AE![]() |
1877-1881 1880 Oa AE
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1881-1893 See standardization of the dies ![]() |
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San.Luis
Potosi. Pi
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1827-39 1828 Pi
JS ![]() ** To me. eagle just looks different from the later years of "this' type. |
1827-1839 1838 PI JS - 1833 Pi JS ** ** Note differences in cap size & placement and eagle tail |
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1836 Pi JS1840-1842-1841 Pi JS ![]() |
1842-1846 1843 Pi AM![]() |
1857-1863 1862 Pi RO![]() |
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1863-1864
1863 Pi RO![]() |
1867-1870
1869
Pi PS![]() |
1873-1887 1880 Pi MR Ex Amon Carter / 1884 Pi MH |
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1887-1893 1890 Pi
MR See standardization of the dies
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Zacatecas
Z, Zs
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1825-1842 1834
Zs OM![]() |
1839-1845 1841
Zs OM - The 8 reales from these years demonstrate a clear difference in
the application of the denticles. This process was indpendent of
the design elements and is not recognized by D&P.
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1842-1845 1843 Zs OM![]() |
1845-1882 1860/59 Zs
MO![]() |
1882-1886 1883
Zs JS | |||
| 1887-1897 See standardization of the dies |